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PostPosted: 04/03/10 3:06 pm 
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This is a thread to discuss savings plans, which banks have the best percentages, which credit cards offer the best rewards, traditional IRAs and ROTH IRAs, closeted love for Suze Orman and Clark Howard, Roni Deutch (tax guru or scam?) and good tax programmes, debunk robert kiyosaki junk, savings income percentages, debt clearing and loans, etc.

I finished my taxes yesterday morning using TurboTax free federal and pay for state (30 bucks). The whole thing took me about 30 minutes total to complete since I only had a 1040, a few interest and dividends forms, some school and school loan forms, and a traditional IRA contribution. BOOM! E-filed that shit and didn't owe the state this year (thank God). I used to use TaxACT, but one year they did a bait-and-switch and I ended up having to pay about 60 bucks for the whole thing. Granted, it could be done on paper, but it takes longer that way. I should just buckle and buy the darn thing, but I only use TurboTax once a year for 30 minutes (it works well). I'd probably buy if I had actual assets, a business, or something like a corporation (or if I did someone else's taxes).

Hey, anyone know if there is an advantage, disadvantage, or if nuthin' happens if one were to have a traditional IRA and a ROTH IRA? Let's say, one year one would contribute 5K into a traditional IRA and the next year 5K would be contributed to a ROTH - alternating years for contributions (the max) - or, 2500 for the traditional and 2500 for the ROTH every year. Does this make sense or just keep contributing to a traditional IRA and pay the taxes when retired (and be at a lower tax bracket anyway)? 8)

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Hey, anyone know if there is an advantage, disadvantage, or if nuthin' happens if one were to have a traditional IRA and a ROTH IRA? Let's say, one year one would contribute 5K into a traditional IRA and the next year 5K would be contributed to a ROTH - alternating years for contributions (the max) - or, 2500 for the traditional and 2500 for the ROTH every year. Does this make sense or just keep contributing to a traditional IRA and pay the taxes when retired (and be at a lower tax bracket anyway)? 8)


How you want to split your contributions between the Roth and regular IRAs basically comes down to what your taxes look like now vs. what you think they'll look like when you retire. If you expect to be in a lower bracket when you retire, then you want traditional IRA contributions. If you expect to be in a higher bracket, then you want Roth. It also depends on how big a tax advantage you stand to gain from regular IRA contributions in the present and other factors, but the difference in tax brackets is the big one.

Overall, I'd recommend some balance of both the traditional and Roth IRAs, which will give you good flexibility. What exact mixture depends on the above factors. However, I would not flip back and forth between the two contributions each year because then you don't get the tax breaks for the regular IRA every year. I'd give a constant contribution to each of them each year. Otherwise on the years when you make Roth contributions, you've paid a higher tax rate on your contributions than you would have if you deducted some traditional-IRA contributions.

Also don't worry about the exact details too much. Your situation can change as you age, and many investment companies offer refinancing schemes where you can "Roth-ize" an existing portfolio while tax rates are favorable, etc. For now the important thing is to be saving a good amount, retaining some flexibility, and getting some deductions.


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Both CA and the feds looked at my taxes this year, decided I did them wrong and revised my refund upward by about 30%.

I'm not sure what mistake I made, but I'm pleased they caught it for me and decided to send me money I wasn't expecting. Honestly with that kind of service I'm really not sure I care whether or not I do my forms mostly by hand... (I did this year, for the first time. I thought I had things right, but apparently not.)

Also had to do a 1040 straight this year because of all the damn 1099s.

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After puttin' in 3.5 years in this gig, I finally got a promotion earlier this month with a small pay increase. In November, I should get a 6-month performance eval at work and get another small pay increase. Fuuuuuck. That seemed to take forever to make a bit of money for doin' practically nuthin'. Since I already maxed-out the IRA contribution for this year, I opted to put some of that pay increase into a deferred contribution thingy (457b? I ferget). I'm aiming to save more than 10% of my income this year and I might actually make it to the full 15%. I guess being a complete social loser with the ladies has the one perk that I get to save more money 8)

I was talkin' with someone at work and they said I was stupid for wasting money paying rent when I could buy a house. I'm wary of shit like that. I pay 1050/mo for everything: rent and utls. (electric, cable, water, trash). If I had a house payment with insurance, utilities, HOA fees, etc., I'd be paying more than double that amount - and in a neighborhood I'd hate to live at! Not to mention I'd have to rent the other room(s), so I'd be living with roommates (which I hate). Fuck it. I might buckle later on once I top out my wage increases in the next two to three years 8)

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I completely crack up at the people who say bad things about renting and then throw away money on HOA fees. It's hilarious. Few "buyers" in Southern California own property anymore in a meaningful way, they maybe at best own part of a house. Everyone's delusional.

Also hilarious: The condo owner who chants unthinkingly: "They aren't making more land."

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I wouldn't mind buying a house or a condo - if I could truly afford it. 600K?! The heavens weep at such a price! I want one of those garish, wannabe-projects, east coast apartments :P

http://www.search-ochomes.com/irvine-park-place.htm

http://irvinehomes.freedomblogging.com/category/condos/

http://irvine.ca.house.info/412917-condo-rent-sale

http://irvine.ca.house.info/340785-house-sale

Watch me go underwater in one of these! Hah. Hey! I'm not looking for a girl to marry. I'm lookin' for a business partner over here :evil:

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There's a tiny 2b/2ba condo for sale in Rancho Santa Margarita at 210K, but holy crap, it is tiiiiiny (yeah, size matters! 8) ). I think it was 800-900 sqft., so that's about $250/sqft... pas mal... better than Irvine's overpriced $350-400/sqft. Lake Forest had some houses for $260K, but no HOA fees, which is great. The area isn't so hot, though.

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Bitter_Almonds wrote:
There's a tiny 2b/2ba condo for sale in Rancho Santa Margarita at 210K, but holy crap, it is tiiiiiny (yeah, size matters! 8) ). I think it was 800-900 sqft., so that's about $250/sqft... pas mal... better than Irvine's overpriced $350-400/sqft. Lake Forest had some houses for $260K, but no HOA fees, which is great. The area isn't so hot, though.


I just worry about buying a house in general ar our age - it isn't quite the market, though I am rather bearish when the government is propping up most of the house market (something ridiculous like 95% of mortgages in Q1 were government backed somehow) it is more of how it ties you to one particular area. If you know you are going to stay around the area no matter what for family reasons then it makes sense, but if advancing in your career means moving somewhere else a house might act as more of an anchor than you'd really want.


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I just worry about buying a house in general ar our age - it isn't quite the market, though I am rather bearish when the government is propping up most of the house market (something ridiculous like 95% of mortgages in Q1 were government backed somehow) it is more of how it ties you to one particular area. If you know you are going to stay around the area no matter what for family reasons then it makes sense, but if advancing in your career means moving somewhere else a house might act as more of an anchor than you'd really want.


Yeah, don't buy a house unless you are positive that you will be staying in that area, and gainfully employed, for at least 3-5 years (depending on the market - it seems relatively safe to buy now, in that I wouldn't be worried about being underwater 12 months from now).

There's a reason people tend to buy a house around the same time as they have kids, and it's not just for the extra space. Once you've got one of those huge, multi-decade commitments, you've effectively lost all of the upside of not having the other one (i.e., freedom) and so may as well enjoy the upsides of both.


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The rationale behind purchasing a house or condo is that once you retire, you own the place. You work your arse off for 30 years, retire in a place you own, and not have to worry about paying rent. I guess it's what r/e peeps refer to as "building equity." They show me this little graph as to how much my net worth would be in 30 years owning a place versus renting. Personally, I can't see why I would buy a house or condo for myself since I'm not gonna get married and have kids. I like the little freedom I have in being able to move from place to place without worrying about a house I'm nowhere-near finished paying off. R/e people say I could rent the place, but then I'd have to mind about tenants. I also enjoy the freedom I have at work to call the shots because I have nothing to lose... and the freedom I have with my money to blow it on booze, pr0n, videos, and music without having to worry about some massive mortgage, insurance on the loan, insurance on the house, taxes, hoa fees, fixing shit around the house, etc. 8)

People are really whipping me for this. It's as if they see something that I cannot. I hate it when that happens...

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Check this shit out:

http://www.firstteam.com/LargeMap.aspx? ... no=3224190

Condo by the pond in Rancho Santa Margarita (Orange County) at 219K :shock: I'd pay about 1050-1200/mo. depending on how much (or little) I put as a down payment. I think hoa is ~300-350. I'd have to cut down cable tv, Internet, and Netfix for the rest of my short-assed lyfe :?

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Money doesn't buy happiness... oh, wait, it does!

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EmailPrint.Two new research papers argue that money can buy life satisfaction, but not happy feelings -- and that earnings beyond $75,000 a year don't buy a lot more happiness.

First, a Gallup survey of 136,000 people in 132 nations found higher income is strongly correlated with how people evaluate their lives, but only moderately with day-to-day positive feelings. The study appears in the July issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

"Does money make people happy? We must say it increases the likelihood that they will be satisfied a lot," says study co-author and psychologist Ed Diener of the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, in a statement. "In our study of richest people, there were a few very unhappy people."

Researchers crafted several ways to measure different types of well-being: First, they asked respondents to do big-picture assessment of their lives, ranking themselves on an imaginary ladder from zero to 10 (with 10 representing "the best possible life for you" and zero the worst possible life). They found that life satisfaction rises significantly with household income.

"Life satisfaction is a judgment about life -- one sits back and reflects," Diener explains. "People spend most of their time making and spending money, and it is one of the big long-range goals for most people, and so it affects life satisfaction." That link between money and satisfaction was consistent across different nations, age groups, economic classes, gender and both rural and urban dwellers.

The survey also measured happiness in another way: Respondents were asked about their experiences of the previous day: Did they have a lot of positive feelings (enjoyment and smiling/laughing) or negative feelings (anger, sadness, worry and depression)? Were they treated with respect? Did they have the opportunity to do what they do best, learn something new and choose how their time was spent?

Using the Ladder

These attributes -- what Diener calls "social capital and mastery" -- had a more significant impact on day-to-day positive feelings than income. "Social capital means having others one can count on, being respected, and so forth -- and this predicts positive feelings," Diener explains.

"Mastery means learning new things and using one's abilities -- again, this predicted positive feelings. Whereas life satisfaction reflects whether people are obtaining their values and goals in a long-term and big-picture sense, positive feelings seem to arise from momentary things that are prewired, since feeling good about the support of others and about using skills are both necessary for humans to thrive and survive."

In separate study, Nobel laureate Daniel Kahneman and Angus Deaton of Princeton University analyzed more than 450,000 responses to the Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index, a daily survey of 1,000 U.S. residents from 2008 to 2009. This survey also used the "ladder" scale and asked questions about emotional experiences in the prior day.

The authors found that while hedonic well-being -- or happy feelings -- rises with income, it plateaus around $75,000 -- although life satisfaction ratings continue to improve. Moreover, lower income exacerbated the emotional pain associated with poor health, divorce and being alone.

"More money does not necessarily buy more happiness, but less money is associated with emotional pain," the authors write. "Perhaps $75,000 is a threshold beyond which further increases of income no longer improve people's ability to do what matters most to their emotional well-being: spending time with people they like, avoiding pain and disease and enjoying leisure. It is also likely that when income rises beyond this value the increased ability to purchase positive experiences is balanced, on average, by some negative effects.

"Our data ... do not imply that people will not be happy with a raise from $100,000 to $150,000, or that they will be indifferent to an equivalent drop of income," they continue. "Changes of income in the high range certainly have emotional consequences. What the data suggest is that above a certain level of stable income, people's emotional well-being is constrained by other factors in their temperament and their life circumstances."

Both studies raise an important question: What is it about income that makes people satisfied with their lives? Is it the stack of cash in the bank; the means to afford basic needs and luxuries; psychological intangibles that tend to come with money, such as status; or the ability to achieve important long-term values and goals -- such as funding a child's college education?

"I wonder if the 'strong' association between income and satisfaction is really a surrogate for something else, such as having a successful career, or having travel or experiential opportunities that you don't otherwise have," argues Kennon Sheldon, psychologist at the University of Missouri, Columbia. Researchers in the global study did examine some of those issues by asking households a range of other questions, including whether there were times in the past year when they did not have enough money for food or for shelter; whether they felt satisfied with their standard of living; and whether they had a television, computer and access to Internet.

Not surprisingly, the one-quarter of respondents who said basic needs were not met reported lower life satisfaction. But researchers were surprised to find that the satisfaction with standard of living and the overall evaluation of life were more highly correlated in wealthy than in economically underdeveloped nations.

This undermines the notion that money is most important when it helps meet basic needs -- and suggests that the connection between higher income and life evaluation rests on the ability to fulfill material aspirations.

Relatively Speaking

Part of the reason may be that people in developed consumer economies have been socialized to value both material achievements and competition, and so they feel satisfied if they have more than the Joneses.

The "ladder" scale invites relative comparisons, says Carol Graham, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and author of the new book "Happiness Around the World: The Paradox of Happy Peasants and Miserable Millionaires."

"More framed questions -- such as the best possible life ladder -- put the whole thing in relative terms, and then it is not a surprise that people think more in income terms and their relative position," she explains. "More open-ended questions, like 'generally speaking how happy are you with your life' or even an even more pure measure of effect, such as 'how frequently did you smile yesterday' elicit other emotions/conceptions of happiness and correlate much less closely with income. The ladder question relates more to how people think about what they want to achieve in their life, the latter questions about how people feel about their lives, relationships and so on."

Graham tested these questions against each other in a survey of people in Afghanistan. "I found that people in Afghanistan were happier than the world average and smiled as often as Latin Americans did, but Afghans scored much lower than the world average when asked the framed best possible life question," she notes. "They know where they stand in relative terms, in other words, despite being naturally cheerful."


Hahahah. According to this shit, I should be as happy as a rich person! WTF?! The person who wrote this obviously doesn't live in SoCal, or maybe even this planet. If 75K could get me a house around here and the broad of my choice, then I could see some sense. All 75K gets me is a shoebox of a place to share with a shitbox 360 that's connected to a tube teevee. The only "ladder" I'm interested in is a chick's good ladder :evil:



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Ultra Rich Spending Less and Chasing Quality
by Sara Peck
Thursday, July 22, 2010

America's richest are spending less cash, and they are being more choosy about the products they actually buy. The Survey of Affluence and Wealth in America 2010 -- a creation of American Express Publishing and the Harrison Group -- polled about 2,400 people from the richest 10% of U.S. households.


Below the top 10 consumer trends of the ultra-wealthy:

1. The wealthy are spending less and shopping smarter: The rich are still willing to buy high-end products, but relish sales and quality, not namesake or status.

2. They may not be optimistic, but they're happy. About 91% of those surveyed thought the U.S. was still in the middle of a recession, and 60% felt it would take one year or more for a full recovery. But 71% were happy in their personal relationships. Contrast that to the 43% of the general population who reported being happy.

3. Family is important. About 83% of those surveyed said they eat dinner with their family at least four times a week, up from 16% five years ago when they survey began.


4. Cutting costs is stylish now. You might see an increase of millionaires shopping at Wal-Mart (NYSE: WMT - News). More than 77% of respondents defined themselves as resourceful and more self-reliant. Online deals and coupons are big, and the rich were more likely to wait for items to go on sale than in the past. Purchasing generic brands and buying in bulk were also popular.

5. They are less worried about their jobs. Confidence in job security increased 20% from last year.

6. More online shopping, less real people. Good news for Amazon (NASDAQ: AMZN - News), EBay (NASDAQ: EBAY - News) and Google (NASDAQ: GOOG - News): the affluent prefer to research and purchase products online, and far fewer relied on salespeople.

7. They are better communicators. About 64% said that they now talk to their kids and spouse about money. Divorce is also down nationwide.

8. They feel less guilty about being rich. In 2009, many of the wealthy surveyed felt guilty about buying luxury goods or discussing their worth. Now, they're trending toward less guilt and a greater desire for people to know they are affluent.

9. They're increasing brand loyalty. There was a 6 % increase in consumers who said "I have a few brands that I like," and a 7 % increase in those who said "The brands I wear say a lot about me."

10. Print might make a comeback, maybe. About 69% answered that they pay more attention to print ads than those online. Only 8% said they use Facebook to make a purchasing decision, though more than 40 % had Facebook accounts.

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I just talked myself out of paying $34 in interest on my credit card; it's peanuts, but it pisses me off to lose money on a mistake. In the 10 years I've had this card, I have paid zero interest or any sort of financing fees. Actually, I can count the number of times I've paid interest/card fees on a credit card: a Visa card through b of a (cancelled) and through a mistake with dell - they charged me interest on a purchase that was 0% interest for the first 6 months (I was too lazy to fight the charge).

I hate carrying cash, so I'm sure Chase makes plenty of money off me since I use their card for every purchase I make: food, gasoline, school, clothes, entertainment/Amazon, etc. I'm due to get $50 cashback next month 8)

Amazon Chase card is best evar! 8)

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Tax day was extended to the 18th of April. I did mine back in early February and got my money mid-February... already blew it on videos, music, and books (bought a $100 photography book). I also managed to talk myself out of $30 of credit card interest again. Protip: Always make sure to e-mail your inquiry and forget about doing it over the telephone (you won't get the interest fee taken out). Chase Card, behby 8)

Yesterday, gotta Costco card that I'm sharing with a colleague (Costco gives two cards to two people per account), so I paid 25 bucks fer it. Schweeeeeeet.

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dude, my dad has a costco card AND a sam's card I can borrow and use at any given notice. but my tax return was only 500 bucks so I bought a laptop for it instead.


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You have the same name as your father? I can't use someone else's Costco card.

I used part of my tax refund to pay for 900 bucks of car maintenance at the dealership. I know I got jacked outta hundreds of dollars, but at the same time I don't know an honest mechanic who can service my vehicle :evil:

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You have the same name as your father? I can't use someone else's Costco card.

I used part of my tax refund to pay for 900 bucks of car maintenance at the dealership. I know I got jacked outta hundreds of dollars, but at the same time I don't know an honest mechanic who can service my vehicle :evil:


heh, regarding the costco card. I've been using my dad's costco card forever with no real problems. his first name is also my middle name. It's also the old one, so it never had a picture on it and the barcode is all smudged so the person has to manually type in the number. one time the checker asked me if that was my costco card. I said "of course". Then she carded me cause I was buying beer. "oh, so you've been a costco member since you were 2?"- the costco card says "member since 1989" on it... d'oh!

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Oh, snap! I got another 50-dollar cashback from Chase 8)

Hey, is that AMEX card any good? I don't give a shit about fly mileage or any "rewards" other than cash. Does AMEX have cashback? I might get one 'cause I hate carrying money, but I need it for stupid Costco.

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Oh, snap! I got another 50-dollar cashback from Chase 8)

Hey, is that AMEX card any good? I don't give a shit about fly mileage or any "rewards" other than cash. Does AMEX have cashback? I might get one 'cause I hate carrying money, but I need it for stupid Costco.


i think the regular costco card is 3% cash back while the biz card is 5%. pretty solid across the board.


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Are there fees for the AMEX card? Also, what are the requirements for the 5% AMEX biz card? 8)

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Are there fees for the AMEX card? Also, what are the requirements for the 5% AMEX biz card? 8)


i think your costco membership covers any fees. for the biz card, i believe a TIN is necessary.


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I used part of my tax refund to pay for 900 bucks of car maintenance at the dealership. I know I got jacked outta hundreds of dollars, but at the same time I don't know an honest mechanic who can service my vehicle :evil:


dude, 900 bucks to fix up your car? I thought you were own of those mexicans around santana that "knows people" so certain car parts can have a 70 to 80 percent discount. even the asians in garden grove do it :wink:


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I used part of my tax refund to pay for 900 bucks of car maintenance at the dealership. I know I got jacked outta hundreds of dollars, but at the same time I don't know an honest mechanic who can service my vehicle :evil:


dude, 900 bucks to fix up your car? I thought you were own of those mexicans around santana that "knows people" so certain car parts can have a 70 to 80 percent discount. even the asians in garden grove do it :wink:


That's the thing, I DON'T know anyone who knows anything about cars. So I'd get ripped off if I have it repaired anywhere. From what I recall, they changed a belt, rotated tires, changed all the fluids, did the back brakes, changed the air filter, and a few other nonsense junk. That shit shoulda been a few hundred. On the other hand, if I tried to be cheep and take it to some random mechanic who'll do nothing and also rip me off, I'd be stuck out there without transportation if this thing junks out on the road. My work requires me to drive a shitload all over the County. I can easily put in 500, 600... 700 miles in one month just from work (not counting any other driving, including to and from work).

Funnily enough, most of this cost is already covered by my mileage reimbursement from work. It's just that I've come to see that reimbursement as part of my income (hell, I'm taxed for it), but I've already done the calculations and I get more money back for mileage than I spend on gasoline - total. Of course, this changes a little when the price of gasoline skyrockets the way it has nowadays, but it doesn't deter me from speeding anywhere I go 8)

Hey, in a coupla weeks I will get another 50-dollar check from Chase 8)

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I filed my taxes on Friday, the 13th. I'm a bit surprised I received some cash, which makes me think I am overpaying. Hmwell. I donated most of it to UCSD and kept some change to help pay for the new bike that's coming in the mail 8)

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650 bucks can also get ye a neon green Strida LT folding bike. I'm already saving for the $1500 recumbent 8)

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